044: Jen Hatmaker's Fight for Grace using the Enneagram
The last time I spoke with Jen Hatmaker on her “For of Love” podcast, we talked about how she identifies as a Three. As our conversation continued I began to think, “Man, you’ve got a lot of features of an Eight. I wonder if you should check out this other type.”
Threes and Eights are both assertive, ambitious, and competitive. But the difference is that an average eight wants to get their way pretty fast because they just don't want to waste time. They're not afraid to get into an argument, but they're like, "Whatever, I just want to get the power and the control in the room here a little bit or in life." They'll compete for dominance, but it's less about social or status issues, it's more about power. For Threes, it's much more about status and appearances. Threes are less interested in having the power rather they are more interested in being admired by others.
In today’s episode, we discuss the similarities and differences of Threes and Eights and how that manifests under the umbrella of fighting for justice and grace. Listen as we talk about Jen’s need to stand up for various social issues, her ability to embrace confrontation for what is just, and the emotional response to doing just that.
Jen Hatmaker, is a highly sought-after speaker and beloved author of eleven Bible studies and books, including the New York Times Bestselling books For the Love and her most recent work, Of Mess and Moxie. Jen is the happy hostess of a tightly knit online community where she reaches millions of people each week through her blog, social media channels, and her newest project, the "For the Love" podcast where she interviews beloved friends, thought-leaders, and change-makers each week on topics near and dear to her heart. Jen spends much of her time speaking at conferences and events all around the country. Jen and her husband, Brandon, are founders of The Legacy Collective, a giving-community that granted more than a million dollars in its first year. Jen and Brandon live in Austin, Texas with their 5 kids and dog, Lady Bird, in a 1910-era farmhouse (with extremely questionable plumbing) that they overhauled as stars of the HGTV series, My Big Family Renovation. To learn more about Jen, check out her website at jenhatmaker.com.
“To me, [grace] is a discipline and it takes a lot of practice and tons of restraint. And then it becomes this rhythm that you can find yourself developing, that is such a good way to live. I feel an immense sense of relief and connectedness living more or less in a space of grace.”